Comments on Fresh Brainz: Was It The Publication Record?

That's more or less the case, yes. Doesn't stop r...

2009-08-22T07:04:38.661+08:00

That's more or less the case, yes.

Doesn't stop researchers from sneakily conducting basic research on the side though - those who are intellectually curious, anyway.

Given that such under-the-table activities take up time and effort away from their main projects, many would rather just stick strictly to their business-oriented projects.

Interesting observation, Wolf. If you are right, ...

2009-08-21T23:17:14.953+08:00

Interesting observation, Wolf.

If you are right, then there is a potential conflict of interests; scientists plan their research strategy based on curiosity, or more pragmatically on the feasibility of publishing results of some impact, whereas businessmen plan "their" research strategy based on the potential for commercialization and the projected return on investment.

Perhaps that explains why the PhD scholarship students are given little or no business/management training at all. They are not groomed to become leaders; they were intended to be deployed as super-technicians, centrally controlled by their respective administrations which are already equipped with the business-trained leaders who will make all the important decisions.

I'll bet that not everyone is going to be happy with this sort of arrangement.

In addition, what perplexes me further is the fact that someone could think that this massive bureaucratic structure would be the most efficient platform for making money out of science.

I mean, from a purely business perspective, how are you going to recoup the cost of just one high-throughput sequencer?

We've got lots of bio-trained Singaporeans from the universities and polytechnics who are rejected from jobs in research and are running around becoming teachers and insurance agents.

Why not give them some seed funding and a cheap rent first and see how many of them can run a sustainable small business? If a few of them can actually turn a profit, then the government can step in and scale up their operations as they wish.

If none of them succeed, well, at least it wasn't very expensive. Moreover this type of practical experience would better equip them for employment in industry.

The government wants scientists to make money for ...

2009-08-21T21:07:37.736+08:00

The government wants scientists to make money for the business people employing them. :) Unfortunately, the business guys expect that whatever the scientists do can generate money, simply because they lack an understanding of the research work.

One indicator of this is the A*STAR job criteria - getting a job as a program officer usually requires just a BSc. And yet, these program officers are the ones that eventually take charge of research program directions, budget allocations, etc.

Ever since IMCB came under A*STAR, its emphasis has been less on basic research and more on commercialisation. Even training younger researchers isn't considered a main priority anymore, as A*STAR expects that the scholarship program takes care of that (give a kid a scholarship, they go off and learn something, then come back and use what they learn to make money through their research).

It's in the older, university-based institutes like IMCB or DSI where this change is most significant - many of the researchers in these institutes basically set up groups in basic research a decade or two ago, and suddenly overnight they're expected to come up with something marketable. The newer institutes don't suffer from this problem, simply because they were established already with commercialisation in mind.

To AcidFlask: Thanks for visiting. I think that y...

2009-08-21T16:36:24.952+08:00

To AcidFlask:

Thanks for visiting. I think that your option b is more likely; not because I have any hard facts to support it, but because when a person says that he "feels sorry for himself for having to work in that environment", I instinctively hear alarm bells that some nasty conflicts must have happened.

To Wolf:

Yes, I generally agree with your view. However, I wonder why basic scientists should be saddled with expectations of industrial collaborations/patent filings.

A*STAR already has translational research institutes like IMB, whereas IMCB is a basic research institute which I would've thought was primarily engaged in research and personnel training. Not every specialization is "technology-able" and even fewer scientific fields provide an opportunity to make money right off the bench.

Again my concern is whether the government wants scientists or business people. If they expect scientists to do high quality research while concurrently worrying about business problems such as creating new revenue streams or improving their returns on investment, who would want the job?

Maybe who they really need are business professionals who know a bit about science and have a track record of turning anything into money.

If that's the case then there will arise a scenario where hundreds of PhD-trained biologists who cannot find academic positions will face the disappointing realization that their prospects in industry are no better as companies are mainly hiring business/marketing people, chemical engineers and production operators.

I mean, how many QC biologists can one pharma company hire?

As Teck has already said, going by publication rec...

2009-08-21T13:53:05.504+08:00

As Teck has already said, going by publication record alone may not be meaningful (in the A*STAR context).

Publication records are the most visible component of a researcher's output, since anyone can simply go through SCI or PubMed to dig this out. But things such as industry contracts/collaborations, patent and trade secret filings are often not publicly available, and researchers may not be allowed to (or they choose not to) publish the results from these activities.

So a researcher who focuses on industry projects can end up having a poor publication record, and yet be more highly valued by the institute compared to one who publishes more, but does not partake in industry projects.

LH: I agree! The tournament market article is a ve...

2009-08-21T11:58:41.527+08:00

LH: I agree! The tournament market article is a very interesting take on the economics of research.

Acidflask: hmm.. not so simple, perhaps? Potential...

2009-08-21T11:40:32.643+08:00

Acidflask: hmm.. not so simple, perhaps? Potential of researchers; alignment of RI's research direction and their research; their salary (cheaper?); their contractual yrs left; etc..

Their performance appraisal criteria is probably not so simplistic. But you pointed out one big factor in any organisation -- internal politics. (well, there might be a typo, so this is my interpretation.. maybe u mean 'policies'? :)

Hey there, I've been approached with claims that ...

2009-08-21T11:32:26.070+08:00

Hey there,

I've been approached with claims that there are other PIs in IMCB with even worse publication records that are still on payroll.

I have yet to verify this, but if true, it would be strong evidence to show that either

a) these people are next in line, or

b) some other factors (e.g. internal polities) are responsible.

Hi Teck, thanks for the links to the story of Doug...

2009-08-21T11:26:52.917+08:00

Hi Teck, thanks for the links to the story of Douglas Prasher!

I find that Science article quite fascinating, especially the discussion about the cruelty of the "tournament market".

Also I find it a bit disappointing that even in science, money and social influence plays such a major role. I've been learning all the "wrong" things! ;)

Thanks for stopping by, Wolf. I agree with you th...

2009-08-21T11:00:02.012+08:00

Thanks for stopping by, Wolf.

I agree with you that the government considers scientific research as an avenue to make money and to become a pillar of industry; this I have understood since Day One when A*STAR was NTSB.

Years ago I have written articles in support of this direction, especially in its stated potential to create many new job opportunities for Singaporeans.

However, I've gradually realised that there are two aspects of this strategy which I don't understand:

1. Did they want scientists or business people?

2. They are making money and creating jobs for... whom?

I think I should expand upon these two points in greater detail in my next post.

Another story on Prasher: http://www.npr.org/temp...

2009-08-21T10:22:59.240+08:00

Another story on Prasher:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95545761

Dr Cai's is not a unique story, whatever the reaso...

2009-08-21T10:19:38.332+08:00

Dr Cai's is not a unique story, whatever the reasons behind his situation.

Another scientist, Douglas Prasher, went from being a biochemist to USD$8.50/hr Toyota minivan driver. And he was supposedly *this* close to the 2008 Nobel prize in Chemistry.

He went to Stockholm in the end, as a guest of the 3 Nobel laureates.

Very *dui* leh, imo..

links:
1.http://sciencecareers.sciencemag.org/career_magazine/previous_issues/articles/2009_02_13/caredit.a0900021

2.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Prasher

Well, A*STAR comes under the Ministry of Trade and...

2009-08-21T06:16:54.098+08:00

Well, A*STAR comes under the Ministry of Trade and Industry, which means its major objective is to make money. So in a lot of the research institutes now, performance is assessed a huge part by how much intellectual property churned out, as well as how much industry dollars brought in. Publications, conferences, teaching have become secondary to these.

Unfortunately, that means also that basic research is no longer valued at the research institutes. Make of that what you will...